If you know Canary you know these things are built like tanks. Some minor scuffing on the units, I would give them an 8/10 on the Audiogon scale considering age but again, internals are refurbished at factory and overall are 90% new. I have decided to stick with my current system hence the sale. Tubes are included and have plenty of life, they were installed by Canary during refirb. Willing to deliver within 4 hours of the SF Bay Area.